Monday, October 13, 2025

Gaza, Iran, and a Nobel Prize: Trump and Netanyahu meet in Washington

President Donald Trump sounded assured on Sunday when he informed a reporter {that a} ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas might be reached by the top of the week.

Israel has reportedly proposed a 60-day ceasefire and the return of 10 residing and 18 deceased hostages, out of roughly 50 remaining Israeli hostages, of whom 20 are believed to be alive. Hamas continues to push for a everlasting finish to the battle.

Negotiations between the 2 sides are being carried out not directly, with Qatar and Egypt main the talks. The calculus on the a part of the US and Israel seems to be that, with Iran and its proxy forces within the area considerably weakened, Hamas shall be able to make extra concessions.

These talks are happening in opposition to the backdrop of a worsening humanitarian disaster in Gaza, with every day reviews of Israeli troops displacing Palestinians and firing on hungry, determined folks making an attempt to get meals as Palestinian youngsters battle with hunger, malnutrition, and illness. Israeli troopers have additionally been killed in current preventing.

In the meantime, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is making the rounds in Washington, DC, this week. It’s his third go to since Trump returned to workplace, greater than every other overseas chief.

At a dinner on the White Home on Monday night, Netanyahu offered Trump with a duplicate of a letter nominating him for the Nobel Peace Prize. Trump has repeatedly expressed his curiosity in getting the peace prize — an accolade that President Barack Obama obtained early in his presidency — and has cited his “peacekeeping” efforts within the Center East, together with assaults on Iran’s nuclear amenities, as justification.

Ending the struggle in Gaza, Trump believes, would cement his legacy. However he has to persuade Netanyahu to conform to that. To get the most recent on the place issues stand between Trump and Netanyahu, At this time, Defined co-host Noel King spoke to Michael Koplow, chief coverage officer at Israel Coverage Discussion board.

Beneath is an excerpt of their dialog, edited for size and readability. There’s way more within the full podcast, so take heed to At this time, Defined wherever you get podcasts, together with Apple Podcasts, Pandora, and Spotify.

Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu have run cold and hot on one another since Trump took workplace in January. The place do issues stand between them proper now?

Proper now, evidently their relationship is at a excessive level. However even prior to now six months, we’ve seen vital ups and vital downs.

On the one hand, that is now Prime Minister Netanyahu’s third go to to the White Home in President Trump’s second time period, and that will point out that these two males have a better relationship than every other two leaders on the face of the planet. However these visits haven’t all the time been so harmonious, and so they’ve not all the time been so nice for Prime Minister Netanyahu, notably the second go to.

On that second go to, Prime Minister Netanyahu appeared to be blindsided within the Oval Workplace in entrance of cameras by a variety of issues that President Trump mentioned. He was blindsided on tariffs when he had come to Washington ostensibly to attempt to take away any tariffs that President Trump was going to placed on Israel. And never solely was he not profitable in doing so, President Trump sat in entrance of the cameras and talked about how america offers Israel $4 billion a 12 months, and that’s some huge cash and it ought to get one thing in return.

He was additionally blindsided in that assembly on the difficulty of Iran. President Trump introduced in that assembly that america was going to enter into direct talks with Iran, one thing that Prime Minister Netanyahu was definitely against. Now we all know how that turned out two months later, however on the time, it was seen as a reasonably vital sign that President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu weren’t on the identical web page.

Along with the awkwardness of that second go to — throughout President Trump’s final go to to the Center East, he went to Saudi Arabia, he went to Qatar, he went to the UAE. He made an enormous manufacturing out of these visits, speaking about how a lot he liked the area, however he didn’t go to Israel and many individuals interpreted that as a snub. Was it?

I don’t suppose it was a snub. I believe that he went to the area as a result of he needed to come back residence with high-profile, seen demonstrations of US energy and display that he may convey offers again residence. Finally, he thinks of himself as a dealmaker, and there have been all kinds of commerce offers and guarantees for funding to be present in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar. These weren’t going to be present in Israel.

He took that journey to the Center East again in Could. What’s modified since then?

The most important factor that has modified is the marketing campaign in opposition to Iran, the place you had 12 days of Israeli strikes on Iranian nuclear and army amenities and personnel, and then you definitely had the very high-profile US strike on the three Iranian nuclear websites at Fordo, Natanz, and Isfahan.

In Israel and definitely throughout the administration — and I share this evaluation — that marketing campaign is considered as being extremely profitable. And in contrast to when President Trump traveled to the area, this can be a case the place Israel presents him with a giant and visual win and he’s touting it as a lot as he can.

So Israel offers him a win on Iran, and now, as President Trump is wont, he’s searching for one other win. On Sunday, he tells reporters {that a} deal on Gaza is shut. What do you suppose he’s making an attempt to telegraph and what occurs if he’s unsuitable? Does he take it out on Netanyahu?

There are two issues that President Trump has persistently talked about when it comes to his imaginative and prescient for the Center East and what he needs to perform. One was stopping Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. And whether or not that has now been completed definitively or not, President Trump is definitely treating it as if that is mission achieved, and Iran is no longer going to get a nuclear weapon.

The second factor that he’s persistently talked about is bringing the preventing in Gaza to an finish and increasing the Abraham Accords and bringing different international locations into the circle of normalization, all of which I believe in his thoughts is meant to result in the Nobel Peace Prize, which actually I believe is the objective that he appears to place above virtually the rest within the realm of overseas coverage.

To perform that second one, he wants Prime Minister Netanyahu to associate with what he needs as a result of there is no such thing as a world wherein the preventing in Gaza will finish except Prime Minister Netanyahu agrees to do it. If Prime Minister Netanyahu doesn’t associate with it, there could also be penalties, and it might be that President Trump finally strikes on.

I believe that what we’re seeing proper now from Prime Minister Netanyahu is an effort to essentially prolong the clock. The primary a part of this can be a potential 60-day ceasefire in Gaza that won’t convey a everlasting finish to the struggle, however will give President Trump the opening that he seeks for the time being. And if this negotiation is profitable, then it additionally buys Prime Minister Netanyahu two months to determine whether or not he needs to maintain it going or whether or not, on the finish of 60 days, the preventing in Gaza will resume.

(Netanyahu) likes extending his choices as a lot as he can, and so shopping for this time shall be necessary and it’ll enable him to offer the president one thing that the president is actually demanding from him, and that ought to preserve the warmth off a minimum of for just a little bit.

These two males have totally different motivations with regards to the Palestinian folks. Netanyahu doesn’t appear to care about Palestinians. He cares about Israel’s safety. Trump needs a deal in Gaza as a result of he likes doing offers. Do you suppose that Donald Trump cares what occurs to the Palestinian folks?

When President Trump speaks about Palestinians, definitely throughout this time period in workplace, he tends to do it with a level of empathy that we don’t all the time see from him on different points. It’s fairly constant when he talks about Gaza for him to speak about the truth that Palestinians are struggling and that they deserve higher. We don’t usually hear that kind of language from Prime Minister Netanyahu and from many Israeli leaders.

The issue is that for any actual decision to Gaza, you want some kind of political imaginative and prescient. President Trump usually talks about how Palestinians deserve higher lives and may have higher lives. Nevertheless it’s uncommon to listen to him speak about how he thinks they are going to get there politically versus this simply being a top quality of life problem.

We noticed it when he introduced his “Gaza Riviera” plan throughout that first Netanyahu journey to Washington, and we noticed it once more even final night time when President Trump bought a query about two states, and he didn’t reply it. He punted it to Netanyahu. Netanyahu made it very clear that Israel doesn’t see a Palestinian state as a part of the Israeli-Palestinian political future.

Each Trump and Netanyahu want this relationship. Trump wants Netanyahu. Netanyahu wants Trump. Who wants whom extra, do you suppose?

Netanyahu completely wants Trump greater than Trump wants Netanyahu.

The issues that Trump needs proper now from Netanyahu are issues that will be good to have. He needs to broaden the Abraham Accords. He needs to have higher coordination all through the area. He needs his Nobel Prize. However in the end, america has a number of different points on its plate. The US is a world superpower, whereas Israel shouldn’t be. And america can work on all kinds of different issues even when the Trump-Netanyahu relationship seems to be poor and the coordination seems to not be what President Trump needs.

From Prime Minister Netanyahu’s aspect, america is indispensable, and there are all kinds of issues that he needs that he has to have President Trump for. We noticed this in observe with Iran, the place Israel launched into airstrikes by itself, but it surely was clear from the start that it wanted america not solely to purchase into what Israel was doing however to really step in and act.

Finally, Prime Minister Netanyahu can not afford to be on President Trump’s dangerous aspect, and I believe that that’s going to trigger him some troublesome selections forward with regards to Gaza, the place there’s no query that President Trump needs that struggle to finish. Prime Minister Netanyahu additionally might want it to finish, however he needs it to finish on very particular and slender phrases. And if the 2 males find yourself crosswise on that query, Prime Minister Netanyahu actually can not afford to get right into a rift with President Trump.

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